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Never again!
05.27.06 (9:54 am)   [edit]

Before I go on about what my title is about, I watched some Oprah yesterday since a couple of the cast members from Grey's Anatomy were on. I think I must love Isaiah Washington's acting even more now. Dr. Burke doesn't have Isaiah's accent.

Anyhow, as much as I don't want to, I might skip my workout today to save my face. 

Yesterday, I went to my Nd-YAG scan appointment, so today, my face is more than a little irritated. Before I rant about how unprofessional this service provider is...I'll just talk about what's happened to my face. I knew it would be somewhat irritated, but I'm just really inflamed right now. It's splotchy and swollen.

I'm sure I am supposed to stay out of the sun right now -- not that there is much out here today. I think the last time I had my treatment, I was recommended to not sweat?? I just don't want to risk irritating my face and making it worse than it already is. That's why I tend to want to get these treatments right before a long weekend, so it can rest.

Anyway, I have been going to Richmond Laser Skin Care off and on for the last year to repair the damage to my face from acne (I still can't get over how I haven't gotten one breakout since I had my bed moved!!). THAT PLACE IS HORRIBLE. I cringe that that business is so good for the clinic owner, Dr. Phoebus Wong. He is just out there to make as much money as possible. I'm not sure he's very ethical. I heard he went into skin care when he did something bad as a medical doctor. I am not sure.

I have not seen the results that he claims to be able to give...because every time I see him, he changes my treatment suggestions. 

When you call to make an appointment to see him for a consultation, he makes you wait a month. Apparently, he's a very busy man, BUT if you want to make an appointment for a treatment, they can almost fit you in the day you call. 

The first time I saw him, he prescribed some lotions and tried to sell me stuff from his skin care line. Actually, the time he spends with patients is very little. He has his staff to sell his products for him and lots of staff doing a lot of the procedures and treatments. And you always have to wait at least half an hour before anyone can see you after you get there. I HATE THAT.

He did recommend some procedures for me, but I held off. Each of his treatments are typically around $200 each, and multple treatments are always required. 

The second time I saw him, it was pretty much the same thing. He recommended 4-6 treatments of the Nd:YAG scan and a couple sessions of Photodynamic Therapy.

I eventually went for one Nd:YAG scan treatment. I did some research on the 'net afterwards. They were supposed to tell me stop using my Retin-A cream for a few days before my treatment. (The cream thins out your skin), but they told me to stop using it the night before.

I just HATE how this "doctor" is so greedy. Every time he sees me, he asks me if I am a student. He wants to know if I can afford his treatments. One time he told the creams would only do so much for me and I should go his procedures. Another time he told me the creams would just take longer. 

But yesterday was the LAST STRAW.

My appointment was at 5, and I left the office at 6:30. The procedure took about 5 minutes. So what happened?

1. I arrived at the office.
2. I was shuffled to another room to remove my makeup and to have my photo taken.
3. I was shuffled to another room and given ice packs for my face to cool down the skin. Or maybe it's to numb my skin...who really knows.
4. The ice packs had melted completely by the time Dr. Phoebus Wong saw me. And I had to ASK to see him. Otherwise, I would have gotten my treatment with no other info.
5. When he saw me, he asked his questions again. "Are you a student? What do you do? Do you have to deal with a lot of people?"

The asshole was setting himself up to sell me his newest FRAXEL treatment. It's so powerful that I would only need 1 - 2 treatments. Then he told me that I was getting wasn't going to do me anything, but he didn't tell me to not do it. I'll say more about FRAXEL later. He did not answer my question of "what are my next steps?" I wanted to know how many more times I had to go back to his frickin' office and was he going to recommend me any more creams?

6. With my face no longer chilly...I got another ice pack, and the technician came. We started the procedure.
7. The machine shut off.
8. We had 15 minutes to wait for the machine to warm up again. Apparently, it just shuts off like that sometimes because IT'S OLD. So I am in an office that uses DECREPIT machinery. During the 15 minutes, the technician told me about FRAXEL.

The "doctor" said it would take a weekend to recover. Nope -- 7 - 10 days is what the technician told me, and it's ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS A TREATMENT. That "doctor" is an asshole. And your face turns blue for a day or two after the treatment, and for the rest of the recovery time, your face is all red. And you are required to go in two hours prior to your treatment to get numbing cream put on your face. Why the hell would anyone want to go through this? I guess the same people who want face lifts...


9. We continued with my treatment, and even though the machine started shutting off (?), it was okay this time.
10. She finished and put some cream on my face.

She said patients usually put the cream on their own faces, but she would give me a treat. I would have much rather put the cream on my own face because I would have slathered it on all over in a thick layer!!! And she never took her gloves off the whole time we were in the room. She had been touching machinery...the FRAXEL book...everything. I don't think her hands were that clean. And she had only been doing this for THREE MONTHS.

I fear for my face.

It was peeling last night. Now it's just irritated, like I've been sunburned. It took a long time for me to feel recovered from last time. That's why it took me so long to go back (and the cost was a factor, too). 

What the Nd:YAG scan does is that the laser goes over your face and it makes your skin produce more collagen. For me, the pits left from the acne would get filled, sort of. And over my time, my skin would smooth out. And then I could have gotten another treatment to even out the skin tone. Well, forget that. I am NEVER going back to that place AGAIN. I am sure there are other places that are a little less greedy should i want to spend money on such services again.

I'll just look for different skin care products. 

 


posted by: katz (reply)
post date: 05.27.06 (5:10 pm)

do you think that they timed it so that the machine would stop during treatment to do a plug for the fraxel line??



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 05.28.06 (7:22 pm)

Reply to: katz
Man, I could see them doing something like that! But I doubt they did.




posted by: judypatooote (reply)
post date: 05.29.06 (5:54 am)

Yes Rosie, do stay away from that Dr. he sounds like a nut job.....That certainly was a sign.....I am going to a new doctor tues. for my fam. dr. is a young (30's) girl and I loved her, but I got some signs, and the last sign was when I took my precription to get filled, they found she wrote another patients name on the precription. duh! red light.......



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 05.29.06 (8:49 am)

Reply to: LadyG
Thankfully, my face is not so irritated anymore, but it's peeling a little (like it is supposed to, I think...eek *L*). I'd heard from other people who'd gone to him who really liked their results. Lucky them!



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 05.29.06 (8:49 am)

Reply to: judypatooote
Why is it so hard to find a good doctor??



posted by: justme (reply)
post date: 01.09.07 (11:41 pm)

Let me tell ya, light scarring and whats worse, red marks left from acne, is probably one of the worst "usual" disfigurement a person can have, it can totally downright destroy one's self image. In Vancouver, there just arent enough derms out there that can really do much for us, and every single Ive been to is either in it to make money, or just give us false hope. The only docs out there that Ive experienced after Dr Ho from the VGH and doctor Carruthers on broadway, because theyre more honest about your condition and wont force you into doing stuff you dont need. Im going to see Phoebus Wong this Friday and see what he can do for my red marks (Ive had these for over a year, some have lasted over 2+ years), after my experience with many derms out there, Im sure I can tell if this guy is just another SOB or not within 5 minutes of talking to me, but Im afraid he wont even spend more than 5 minutes talking to me about my conditions. And 1k for fraxel? The TOP surgeons in the states charge those amounts, what makes Dr Wong think he's even within that range? Thats ridiculous.



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 01.10.07 (9:42 am)

Reply to: justme
I hope your visit with Phoebus works out. I think some people who didn't require a lot of "work" had good results. He will promise you anything...as long as you pay for his services. Good luck!

As for my skin, the scarring isn't so horrible, but I still have the pits. I will just live with them. I found the best thing for me that was somewhat cost-effective were the creams.

If you come back to this blog, I hope you give me an update on how your appointment went!




posted by: its me again (reply)
post date: 01.13.07 (1:40 am)

Well today I met with Dr Phoebuswong down in richmond at his clinic. First thing that striked me about that place is how much it looked like a shoe store and had that whole vibe rather than a place where a geniue doctor may work in. Well, I guess whatever works for him. I went over to the counter and saw two girls there, caked with a pound of makeup on each of their faces, for a second I thought I had entered the wrong store. At that moment I knew that this place was definetly rolling in dough, and I wasnt so sure about their results (at no time during the consultation did I see any before or after pics FROM this clinic itself, just promo pics in binders that every office already has). Right away I was asked to pay the 40 bucks, before I even saw that doc..... okay..... so all my (low) expectations were already met......

5 minutes after I was seated, I finished most of the form, the "nurse" pulled me into a private room, not a smile on her face, no humor, definetly the whole "out of touch" feeling grew deeper and deeper. I sat down, she didnt even close the door. We got a couple of snapshots of myself and she uploaded them onto the computer. Another 20 minutes passed, the doc came in. I was expecting him to get out of there asap but actually he did take some time and chatted with me.

The most positive thing from today was that he used this magnifying google/helmet thing and looked deeply into my scars/red marks. He tells me that the redness will go away with either vbeam or fraxel, but fraxel would be better cuz it will take care of the shallow (he calls them very early stage) boxcar scars. He says my scarring is quite minimal, its just the redness that sticks out, so I would benifit greatly from 3 or 4 fraxels. And of course, he told me about their 4xfraxel promotion which would come out as 2800 (regular price @ 3800, offer only lasts until end of jan.). He gave me I guess a more honest outlook on everything, maybe more than I expected. At the same time I know quite a lot about these types of lasers, and general skin care products, he was actually somewhat surprised, which was good, as I sort of let him know not to jerk me around as Im not some random guy he can take advantage of.

Right now the problem is the price. He said I will probably get good results from only 3 to 4 treatments, but he also warns me about how 10-20 percent of his patients may experience dark pigmentation for weeks/months after these treatments (temporary). I cant really afford the down time, otherwise how can i finance these treatments? He wants to pretreat me with hydroquione, which Dr jang from skinworks (a horrible "derm") sold me in the form of obagi (which is never met to treat acne scarring/redness in the first place). I dont work well with HQ creams, and if i do get darker skin afterwards, Im going to have a tough time lightening everything up. Do I want to speak 3k on treatments that I know MAY benifit me, but at the same time, may lead to MORE problems? Or do I wait, and maybe try arbutus laser?

I left that place feeling slightly more relieved, as I felt that fraxel may actually be quite hopeful..... but on the same token, I know these lasers were never really made with asian skin in mind, but then again fraxel is as good as it gets right now..... I think before the month ends I must make a choice, whether I go to dr wong or maybe arbutus laser..... either way I will give fraxel a shot. Ive read good stories AND bad ones about it (redness/pain/NEW scars from fraxel, little to 10% results from multiple treatments).

All in all, I think Dr wong isnt a bad doctor, hes quite capable of doing good work. He even jokingly said "I really hate it when people are not happy with me", when he basically promised me that my results will be significant and shouldnt have any side effects.... but when the treatments are gonna go down, he aint gonna be the guy doing it, it will be one of those robotic "nurses", whom I dont know if I can really trust. I guess we'll just have to see.



posted by: oh and one more thing (reply)
post date: 01.13.07 (1:50 am)

Both he and the nurse tells me that I should get my whole face treated rather than just my cheeks were the scars are..... now is it wise? He says that my cheeks will stand out for a long time (im guessing hes warning me about the hypopigmentation) so its better if my whole face got darker than just parts of it..... maybe Im reading too deeply into this but doesnt that mean its going to hurt me more by doing fraxel to parts of my face that dont really need it?



posted by: oops? (reply)
post date: 01.13.07 (1:48 pm)

haha you should delete some of my posts..... my computer keeps screwing up.... sry about that



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 01.17.07 (9:10 am)

Reply to: ??

Thanks for giving me the update! I'm glad your experience with Dr. Wong was somewhat pleasant. I had high hopes with my first consultation too. What do you think you'll do?

I'm surprised you mentioned Fraxel wasn't meant for Asian skin. I think almost all of Dr. Wong's clients are Asian. I also don't see the point of getting your whole face done if the other parts are fine. And Fraxel seems really painful!! OOOUCH!




posted by: yes (reply)
post date: 01.18.07 (12:10 am)

I didnt see any reasons as to do my whole face as most of red marks/scars are on my cheeks. He said if i only get my cheeks done, the pigments will really stand out. RIght now i think its best if i dont rush into fraxel yet. Its expensive and theres no guarantee of anything. Ill look around and see if theres anything else that can get rid of my red marks first. I might try a couple sessions of vbeam or the new genesis laser, since theyre both much cheaper. If those dont work, i might do fraxel later on, discount or no discount.

The worst part about going to dr wong is i doubt he'll do the treatments himself. I really want to say, unless it is HE who does my face, and unless he can guarantee me results, i really dont want to be going to him. But then again, hes the only asian doctor around that has experience with fraxel on asian skin. So right now im really at a loss.



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 01.18.07 (9:14 am)

Reply to: yes
I read about some other new procedure that does that same sort of thing in this month's Elle magazine. I can't remember what it's called, but I should look it up for you!

Yeah, I highly doubt Dr. Wong will do it. I'm not sure if he does any procedures at all although I think the last girl who lasered my face said that Dr. Wong dealt with really difficult cases. I still don't trust his practices!



posted by: ha (reply)
post date: 01.29.07 (8:19 pm)

i went to v.ho from vgh today, when i spoke to him about dr wong, this guy just shooke his head, "you know hes not even a derm right? hes only a GP"..... so much for dr wong, not gonna go back to him again.



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 01.30.07 (12:10 am)

Reply to: ha
At least you found out! Who is this v.ho?? And what is your next step going to be?




posted by: hey (reply)
post date: 01.30.07 (3:01 am)

just email me: christpunchers(at)gmail-dot-com for you next response.

dr vincent ho is from the vgh skincare centre. you can either get a referral from your GP for a free consult, otherwise it will cost you 68.50 but that can count towards the treatment, and if you DO get a treatment, the consult fee will take care of you for the next 6 months (you can basically drop by at any time for free, but only if you first sign up for one treatment though).

i visited him last july, back then i was still a "novice" in all things lasers, i was doing ipls just because my other derm only had that machine and he was just milking my money for what its worth; ipls dont really help with red marks healing from acne, it can even make it worse. since my last ipl ive been doing a lot of research on basically all types of lasers.



posted by: (reply)
post date: 01.30.07 (3:02 am)


vincent ho is a very honest doc, complete opposite of dr jang, more honest than dr. carruthers (who did my ipls), and DEFINETLY not like dr wong. today, 6 months after i saw him, i went to his office again, 6 months ago, he gave me 4 advice 1) do not do any more ipls, they are totally useless (lol too late), 2) peels (gycolic, whatever else) will do nothing for me 3) do not go with erbium lasers, or co2 lasers, i dont need it, they are too invasive 4) either do a vbeam type laser or leave my red marks.



posted by: (reply)
post date: 01.30.07 (3:02 am)

i told him about how ive research all the different types of lasers out there, vbeam, nd:yag, fraxel, co2, etc etc, and about how doctor wong recommanded me to do fraxel instead of vbeam. i told him that dr wong was very very pushy. he told me about how dr wong isnt even a god damn derm, and that my skin will benefit more from a vbeam type of laser, infact, had i gone with the fraxels, my shallow scarring may or may not have improved (a gamble), but my red marks may have even more prolonged redness! i then said "yeah, they were just trying to sell me stuff.... which i guess were going to be quite useless in the long run", he then said "the doctors at VGH will never sell you anything that will not help you or tell you to do something that wont help you but lie to your face just to make some money, thats not how i do things, its not useless as youve said.... what dr wong and these other derms do out there are quite FRAUDULANT." thank god i saw vincent ho today, i crossed off dr wong off my list. i TRULY feel that vincent ho is probably one of the VERY VERY FEW honest derms out there that can give you the 100% truth and not 1% lie, because hes not driven by money at all.



posted by: (reply)
post date: 01.30.07 (3:02 am)

my plans now? vincent ho can do a laser which is known as the gemini, from laserscope. he says i have a 50/50 chance of improving my red marks, plus he says this is safer and better than vbeam, as theyve had the vbeam machines at the hospital but the gemini lasers replaced them. with the gemini machine there is zero downtime, i told him i had blistering from ipl and he tells me with this machine i wont have any problem, it is very safe, and full results will be shown after 6 weeks after one treatment. one gemini treatment is only 250/session, cheaper than what i paid for the ipls, so ive got nothing to lose. also he says if one gemini treatment does not produce my improvement he would not bother performing another session on me (if there is improvement i can do choose to do more over time, like with the vbeam).... hows that for honest?



posted by: (reply)
post date: 01.30.07 (3:03 am)

btw the hospital will soon be getting fraxel soon (he said within 6 months time). right now theyve having a trial to see if the machine is even worth purchasing. if i ever plan to do fraxel i will surely do it with vincent ho rather than most of the other derms out there.



posted by: (reply)
post date: 01.30.07 (3:03 am)

next week i plan on getting a referral from my GP to arbutuslaser(dot)com. they seem to have all the lasers out there, and they do peels too. i wanna see what dr boey can do for me. this place should be better than dr jang, dr wong, dr carruthers, combined, because you cant even get in without a doctor's referral. he has the latest vbeam machines, the gemini, laser genesis, and even fraxel, so i guess he must have seen it all. i wanna know if his opinion differs much from v.ho, but probably he will recommand vbeam for redness with a combination of gemini yag or genesis yag laser for the scarring.



posted by: (reply)
post date: 01.30.07 (3:04 am)

if everything goes well, i will either do the gemini with dr v.ho (he says he available generally within 2 weeks). if not then i will do whatever dr boey suggests, but trust me, if i were you, i wouldnt hesitate going to dr v.ho at all. just call this number, 604-875-4682, i guarantee you wont have a bad experience with this guy.

PS sorry about having to post stuff seperately, this blogsite wont let me post anything with dot-com in it and also i cant type for very long before it denies each of my posts.



posted by: and your right (reply)
post date: 01.30.07 (3:07 am)

his clinic is a joke..... all those skanks running that place. i cant believe there was a time when i held any interest in doing treatments with him... i mean just look at his nurses, theyve got 5 layers of makeup on their faces, tight blouses that push their chests upwards, thats not a derm's office, its more like A/X than anything. what a f**king joke.



posted by: Matt (reply)
post date: 09.07.08 (10:52 pm)

I went to Dr. Phoebus one day a few years back... I had a serious case of acne. His creams helped control it completely.... for about 2-3 years. Afterwards my skin started to adapt and I guess my hormones were changing more and more... so I eventually did accutane; which worked great.
As for the person wondering if they actually get any results in the form of before and after photos... yes, you should see mine! They just don't display them in the front desk. It would be unprofessional.




posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 09.08.08 (10:00 am)

Reply to: Matt
I'm glad your experience with Phoebus worked out for you. Does he offer any long term solutions? It was scarring that I was going to see him for, but I found his clinic to be so unprofessional and so unsanitary that I could not go back. Are you still on Accutane? That is powerful stuff. My cousin used to take it and he is still suffering long-term side effects (one of them being shingles). I think he is part of a lawsuit right now.




posted by: Wong Fraud (reply)
post date: 09.14.08 (4:00 pm)

DO NOT go to Dr.Phoebus Wong aka Richmond Laser Skin Care, this guy is a total medical fraud.
One of my friend went to see him last year for skin resurfacing to remove sun spots and dr wong had recommended twosession of laser treatment which he charged couple hundred dollars in total. My friend later received BC medicare collection letters from the government and questioned her what kind of procedure she did in Dr.wong's office. Apparently this guy has been claiming money from B.C medicare by using her name; which we all know BC care card does not cover any cosmetic sugery,procedure or consulting fees.
My friends told me that Phoebus wong had asked for cash or personal checks only and his staff also took BC cardcard number, she had paid couple hundred dollars in total on top of that 40 dollars cash for initial skin consultation fees, nothing was coverd by BC medicare yet this guy also claimed money from the government.
Dr.Phoebus wong is a total medical fraud, he's charging money from his patient and at the same time possibly writing false medical reports to steal money from the Canadian government, our tax money.




posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 09.15.08 (10:43 am)

Reply to: Wong fraud
OMG...That is insane! But so believable. Dr. Phoebus Wong still treats medical patients, but I hear he opened up the laser clinic in order to stay in the "medical" field but not be a medical doctor because of malpractice accusations!
I am always weary of places that accept cash or cheque only. Ugh, he is a dirty crook. After my experience with him years ago, I vowed to never spend any more money on services.
The only good thing is the sun bock he carries. I can't seem to find any other Canadian retailers that sell it!




posted by: summer (reply)
post date: 10.03.08 (6:39 pm)

I've just had an extremely bad experience with dr. jang. Has anyone out there had past problems with this women?



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 10.04.08 (9:20 am)

Reply to: summer
Nope, never even heard of Dr. Jang. Where is she?


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