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Fat daughter who's too busy
07.31.07 (9:59 am)   [edit]

A couple of nights ago, I went out for dinner with family and family friends. The wife of one of the couples has always rubbed me the wrong way. I can't exactly put my finger on it. I did notice she had on two completely different earrings. Jessica Alba was into that trend a couple of summers ago, but on a 60 year old woman, she just looks like she's gone senile. Anyway, she mentioned to my mom that I was fat. I'm not sure why my mom told me this. And I'm not sure why her comment's made me mad. It's just gotten me very catty...I would love to tell her what I think of *her*, but I won't. I don't think she'd like to hear that the colour of her face is like the Simpsons, but only with a touch more green.

But I digress...

This is another of those dad posts. I called him yesterday because I finally had time to drop off some gifts that I bought for her when I was in Europe (a little late, I know...but better than never, in this case). He told me had hadn't been around lately because he'd been in the hospital for a few days. HE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL AND DIDN'T HAVE *ANY*ONE CALL ME. He said, "I figured you would be be busy."

I have given up over and over again with trying to have any relationship with my father even though deep down inside I am still hopeful. I have little respect for him as a man, but he's still my dad. Because of his lack of respect for women in general, I find it hard to respect him. Because of his fathering methods, I find it hard to like him, too.

I am at my wit's end...How do you help someone who does not want to be helped? He is just waiting to die and going through the motions of life. He has no interest in doing anything or taking up new hobbies. He has nobody in his life. He feels like he's a failure because he didn't retire rich and that he got divorced. He's tired of traveling. He's too old to be picking up women to boost his self-esteem.

He was in the hospital because he had an overdose. This is his second one (that I know of) that has sent him to the hospital. The last one was 6 - 7 years ago. In that time, his depression hasn't gotten any better. He's taken a cocktail of anti-depressants and other meds, but he's not gone for counseling -- doesn't think he helps.

He didn't give many details, and I didn't ask. I wasn't sure if it would good for his mental health for me to pressure him into talking about it?

I am thankful he has his "friend" to at least look after him.

But I wonder about this "friend" because she gets zero respect, too. Like I wonder what woman would allow herself to be subjected to being such an object.

My family ran into my dad and his "friend" while out shopping yesterday. She doesn't walk beside him. She walks a couple of feet behind him.

During our phone conversation yesterday, my dad told me "hired" someone to help him. I was like, "what? You *hired* someone? Like a nurse??" He said, "no...I have someone looking after of me." (Mind you, in Chinese "hire" and "invite" sound the same, but "invite" just seemed to not fit.) "She cooks, cleans, and brings me my medication." He didn't say whether she was living there, but she sure gets a lot of mail sent to his place.

He has *never* called her his girlfriend...makes her sound as if she likes doing all this stuff for him as favours. I would never want to be with someone like my dad. Does she have any self-esteem? Or has my dad crushed that, too? He's extremely manipulative with his words. He should have been in sales. But the Chinese community isn't always that small. My mom hears all sorts of stories about this woman...how my dad demands that she does all these things for him -- cooking, cleaning, giving massages, and that he makes her pay her own way when they go on trips. And that he told her that if she didn't like how things were that she could leave since he could go back to my mom (yeah, right...there's that manipulation thing again).

Whenever she is at his place, he never allows me to go up his apartment. Yesterday when I said I would drop by to bring him some things, at first he told me his place was still messy from "...." and that he was just about to shower. But I said I was on my way out, and I'd drop by. And he said, "well, okay. I will come downstairs right now." ??!! His buzzer works just fine.

My aunt suggested that at this point I just get over whatever queries I have about their relationship and try to get to know her better. I guess that is a good idea for the sake of my dad. I wonder if he'd go for it since he is adamant about hiding this woman and denying her existence. 

But I have questions about his overdose. Who called 9-1-1? He made it sound like they had to break his door down to help him. Did he call? Was he alone?

*sigh* 

 


posted by: Fitgirl (reply)
post date: 07.31.07 (10:42 am)

I don't blame you for being a little bit frustrated with your Dad! He sounds like a very negative person! I guess, at least you know he was taken to the hospital and got the help he needed, but what if that had not been the case? You'd feel very shitty about not knowing he was in pain!

I really don't know what your best course of action should be! Just hang in there and maybe tell your Dad that he's still important to you!



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 07.31.07 (10:52 am)

Reply to: Fitgirl
Yeah, my dad's depression has taken over his life...He's been not well for a very long time. Last time, his shrink told me to write him a letter. I will probably do that again.




posted by: Twitchy67 (reply)
post date: 07.31.07 (10:54 am)

I used to date a girl who's mother was a horrible abusive shrew of a woman. She sat in her mumu eating candies and insulting everyone, driving around on her scooter cuz she was too lazy to walk. She had beat her kids an awful lot when they were younger, and was a very cruel person. She manipulated, screamed, hit, and guilted her daughters. First time I met her the first thing she said to me was that the "east indians are destroying this country and should either die or go home". She basically said this because she knew thru her daughter that I have some east indian blood. Anyways, my point is that thru all of this, she still loved her mother fiercely. She would cry after her mother did something awful to her, but always said "I love my mom, but why is she so mean to me". The bond between a child and parent is pretty hard to break, regardless of how incompetent they are as parents or humans. Don't let your dad's bizarre sensibilities tear you apart if you can help it.

I'm no psychologist, so do some research and don't take my opinion to heart, but my thought is that pushing him into therapy can't hurt his mental health more than it appears to be hurt now. It may turn out to be the best thing in the world for both of you and your relationship. Or it may affect nothing. Or it may piss him off and make him mad at you. But...well you seem to be mighty frustrated about him anyways, and sometimes any action is better than internalizing hurt or anger.

Oh, and btw... "He's extremely manipulative with his words. He should have been in sales. " Um...ouch... good sales people don't manipulate, they question and solve problems. Bad used car sales guys manipulate and fib. :P

Oh, and also btw... you're fat like a pencil lead. Maybe she meant phat...cuz you are pretty phat... double :P



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 07.31.07 (11:00 am)

Reply to: Twitchy67
Thanks for your advice...I feel like I am helping a stranger, and it's like...why would I want to put in all this effort? My dad is really stubborn...I've been pushing him to have a will, and he keeps saying he'll do it, but he hasn't. At this point, I'm trying to get him to do what's best for me when he kicks the can, so I don't have to have a lot of hassle. Sounds cold, but the truth. My relationship with my dad was a cold one when I was growing up.

*L* I was semi-joking about sales guys being manipulative. But my dad's always had a way with words and being able to charm people or sway them.

If you're not a waif, you're FAT! It's the nature of the culture.




posted by: bawdy (reply)
post date: 07.31.07 (11:26 am)

Your dad sounds like a real prince. I wouldn't count on him suddenly having an epiphany that would lead to him becoming a better person. You're making the effort, so good for you.



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 07.31.07 (11:28 am)

Reply to: bawdy
No, my dad will never change. I think he is too far gone with his illness. It's more than just depression. His thought processes are warped. I wish I didn't have to deal with any of this!



posted by: LadyG (reply)
post date: 07.31.07 (8:29 pm)

To bad that he is like that rosie, hHe is really missing out in having a good relationship with you.
His depression comes over him feeling like a failure. continue to love him as he is the only dad that you have.



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 08.01.07 (7:56 am)

Reply to: LadyG
I am doing the best I can -- the whole dad-daughter thing is really difficult for me!



posted by: LadyG (reply)
post date: 08.01.07 (8:47 am)

Reply to: rosietulips,rosie you are doing great, your dad makes it difficult.




posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 08.01.07 (9:18 am)

Reply to: LadyG
Thank you so much for your words of support, LadyG :)



posted by: wolfen (reply)
post date: 08.02.07 (9:47 pm)

Wow, your dad is something else. I can relate. My dad is a bit like that too. I hope he's okay, but it would be nice if he'd stop playing games and just be himself and let you get to know him before he gets too old.

By the way, the catty woman is just jealous of you.



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 08.03.07 (9:51 am)

Reply to: wolfen
The catty woman is weird, too...she won't eat food that has touched beef. She's one of those vegetarians that will eat meat.
I guess my dad's always been the way he is, but with his depression, it's really amplified his not-so-good characteristics.



posted by: inkspector (reply)
post date: 08.03.07 (12:57 pm)

The law of the universe -- like attracts like.
That is what you have here with the catty lady and your Dad, two of the same kind, they understand each other and go together.

It also sounds like your Dad my be heading into the first stages of Alzeheimers also. His other conditions can spur this on.

Maybe you should buy one of those will kits and work on that with him. I know what you are saying though, you don't want to be dealing with a mess afterwards.



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 08.03.07 (1:01 pm)

Reply to: inkspector
Alzeheimers! I never thought of that since his memory seems fine. My grandmother had it and suffered a very long time.

The catty lady isn't the one with my dad...my dad's "friend" seems really meek and doesn't say much. I've only been to one family dinner where she was present. Come to think of it, my dad didn't let her come to a birthday dinner he treated me to. He told me she had wanted to come. At the time, I could have cared less.

I think I will probably keep pressing my dad to get a will done, but a will kit sounds like a good idea, too!



posted by: inkspector (reply)
post date: 08.04.07 (5:22 am)

My FIL had Alzeheimer's and at the group meetings we got educated. One of the meetings the doctors said that if a mother had the disease, it is more likely that the genes are passed onto the sons in the family. This was true to us as my FIL's mom had it and so did his brother at a younger age, so they definately both got it from the Mother.

Was your grandmother you mentioned your father's mother?



posted by: ggirl (reply)
post date: 08.10.07 (8:31 am)

I know what you mean about neither liking nor respecting your father. My father never treated any woman with respect. Actually, that's an understatement.

You can only have the kind of relationship with him that *he* wants. It takes two people to have a relationship and he doesn't seem to be participating.

My dad gave up, too. It's hard to understand and impossible to change. You have my complete empathy. I'm so sorry.



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 08.10.07 (10:06 am)

Reply to: inkspector
Yes, this was my father's mother who had Alzheimers. She had minor memory loss for the longest time while I was growing up, but the time I was in high school, her children were worried that one day she'd not remember how to get home from the store, so she ended up living in a home for the last several years of her life.



posted by: rosietulips (reply)
post date: 08.10.07 (10:11 am)

Reply to: ggirl
I like it best when I don't have to deal with my father, and I can just pretend everything is fine. Out of sight, out of mind, you know?

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